What I'm Reading, Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Climate & Climate Politics


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5 Responses to What I'm Reading, Tuesday, April 24, 2012

  1. Tony Elliott April 24, 2012 at 9:35 am #

    I challenge you to give me just one piece of concrete scientific evidence that proves global warming/ climate change is real.
    You will not be able to because the whole GW/CC scam is purely based on conjecture from manipulated data and not from actual weather, climate, or geophysical facts.
    You are a meteorological moron.

    • Jerrald Hayes April 24, 2012 at 2:04 pm #

      Ah,…Tony with regard to your comment:

      I challenge you to give me just one piece of concrete scientific evidence that proves global warming/ climate change is real.

      …you really don’t seem to understand how science works but then again that not surprising given what I have now seen you write about ‘Aura Visions’ and UFOs. Come on are you really going to try and argue using a "give me just one piece of concrete scientific evidence" ploy?

      Quoting from your book’s description in the online bookstores:

      "Aura Visions have been occurring to millions, whether they are aware of it or not. Gone, is the day of massive abductions. Alien Contact for the human Race has become subliminal. The spiritual evolution has arrived and with it, a new way of life. Aura Visions answers all the questions that have plagued mankind. Who are they? What do they want? How does God fit into it? An event is coming and it will change all the traditional ways we have conducted life, here on earth. 2012, is only 3 years away. Are we ready?"

      Yeah and you have a lot of concrete scientific evidence that proves this Aura Visions (and UFO visitation) lunacy of yours?

      But hey, that’s an ad hominem attack and doesn’t really address the issues in your idiotic rant. While Collin is very correct there is not going to be ONE single piece of evidence that definitely proves that "global warming/ climate change is real" there are multiple different lines of evidence that lead all the climate scientists in the world (or at least something around 97% of them) to conclude that global warming and climate change is taking place and the additional contribution of C02 from man is responsible for this dramatic out of the ordinary warming.

      1.—First there is the actual temperature record. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’ve read your nonsense, I know you say the records are manipulated and doctored but they been challenged and analyzed over and over again and withstood all scrutiny and in fact some of those that sought to challenge the records have come out and stated under oath before congress that on reviewing other work that "Their work is excellent, and the Berkeley Earth project strives to build on it." and "We see a global warming trend that is very similar to that previously reported by the other groups.” While the chart below is an overlay of the work of many independent groups if you have just one chart that shows something different, a different result, lets see it.

      2.—The sea level is rising and its rising at a rate that is over double what it was in the last century.

      3.—The ocean is acidifying. As the oceans of the world absorb more and more of the excess CO2 from the atmosphere the CO2 combines with water to form carbolic acid increasing the pH of the ocean. This is both evidence of increased CO2 (What is Ocean Acidification?) and a dangerous effect of Global Warming and Climate Change that threatens the food chains we depend on in the oceans. (Ocean Acidification: The Other CO2 Problem)

      4.—The oceans are also warmer as a result of serving as a heat sink for our planet absorbing the excess heat. (Levitus et al. Find Global Warming Continues to Heat the Oceans)

      5.—Ice Sheets and Glaciers are shrinking and receding world wide. If you have evidence that’s not the case lets see it and by evidence I am talking about your ‘proof’ that ice sheets and glaciers worldwide aren’t shrinking. Do not even try and cite the few glaciers in the Karakoram range that are growing as proof that they are all growing because you know that just isn’t true. The same report where scientists cite the glaciers in the Karakoram range that are growing also says "The rest of the glaciers in the Himalayas are mostly melting, in that they have negative mass balance; here we found that glaciers aren’t, This is an anomalous behavior."

      6.—More and more extreme weather events. (Extreme Weather of Last Decade Part of Larger Pattern Linked to Global Warming)

      7.—The seasons are changing their time periods. (Climate Change Throws Nature’s Timing Out of Whack)

      Those are just a few of the lines of evidence, there are more but I don’t have the time to write a book about them for you right now.

      With regard to your comment:

      "You are a meteorological moron."

      You are really parading your scientific naiveté out for everyone to see. Weather (meteorology) isn’t climatology. You sir, are are the moron.

      • Tony R. Elliott April 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm #

        You are not unlike the rest of the GW/CC liars when it comes to proving your point. What you have given me amounts to nothing more than the same manipulated graphs, computer models and flawed satellite data.
        When I ask for proof I do not expect to hear more garbage science as presented from the clowns at the IPCC, WMO and UN socialists. This amounts to nothing more than presenting me with more lies.
        The fact is they were caught in a lie when they tried to say that the decade from 2000 to 2010 was the warmest on record when in fact most of the 1930s and early 1940s were actually recorded as such.
        The hottest year as claimed to be from the shysters was supposed to be 2005 or 2010 (they find it hard to manipulate the data to a single year). However when the real recorded temperature records just wouldn’t disappear which proved 1934 to be the hottest year on record. They had to revise that claim as well.
        The lies about the Himalayan glaciers melting at an alarming rate were recently proven to be false when real scientists proved otherwise.
        The fact is, there has been no rise in ocean levels in the last hundred years reported from any legitimate recording facility.
        Where do you get your 97% on scientists agreeing with GW/CC? The fact is most of the individuals you refer to are not really climate scientists at all but environmentalists educated in unrelated fields and sciences. Not meteorologists. The head of the whole UN climate body Christiana Figueres has no degree in meteorology or related science. She is only a degree in economics. Only about 3 actual meteorologists make up the IPCC and WMO. Most all of them are well educated in other genres having nothing to do with weather or climate. The head of the WMO is only a honorary meteorologist. Thus to believe these clowns in all their weather and climate claims amounts to you going to a mechanic for medical advice instead of a physician.
        Another fact is most actual meteorologists do not agree with GW/CC. I wonder why? Could it be because they are educated in meteorology and know better?
        Get back to me when you can get some concrete facts and not more Play Station Games.

  2. Collin Maessen April 24, 2012 at 11:17 am #

    I always find it funny that people demand the one single piece of evidence that proves global warming is happening and that we are largely responsible for it due to our greenhouse gas emissions.

    That’s just not doable, science is far more complex than that. Our understanding of what is happening, why and what this will mean for the future is far more complex and nuanced.

    • klem April 24, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

      Yea nuanced, that’s it nuanced. That’s why we can’t deliver the proof, its because of all of those crazy nuances everywhere.

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